Talk:Linux distribution

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Bad Link-Malware[edit]

Malware link on history of Linux chart, Dream work under Ubuntu has a link that leads to a malware site. Please Remove — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.128.196.148 (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Which link is that and what is the issue? - Ahunt (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Removing Trisquel?[edit]

I think reporting Trisquel under "widely used" is misleading, probably added by some Trisquel supporter. It think it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.169.117.38 (talk)

You are probably right. WP:FANCRUFT I will remove it. - Ahunt (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Is Ubuntu Linux most popular?[edit]

"Ubuntu is most popular." - Ahunt wrote again in the article. Then, you have to present here facts of that. I agree that ubuntu is a popular Linux distribution, but I am against "most popular". It is still advertising enought, and Wikipedia is not meant for advertisment. Therefore in the meantime, the article remains unchanged. Green (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here. First off I didn't add this, I merely reverted your removal of it. Second, you are misquoting what it said. What you removed was "Ubuntu, one of the most popular desktop Linux distributions", not, as you claimed "Ubuntu is most popular." So you seem to have already answered your own complaint, as that is not what it said in the first place. As I already noted in my revert the original statement, "Ubuntu, one of the most popular desktop Linux distributions" is factually correct, as you agree above. We go with what the refs say: one says With millions of users around the world, Ubuntu is the third most popular operating system in the world. This GNU / Linux distribution has already been the most popular in the world and has gained in recent years some (small) improvements. and another says: Ubuntu is probably the most well-known Linux distribution. The original statement is factually correct and should be reinstated.
On procedures here on Wikipedia, as per WP:BRD, once you have changed something and it has been reverted you should not go and revert it again, but instead bring it to then talk page for consensus. Ahunt (talk) 00:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
We do not believe commercial websites which tell so as you picked up. Maybe we all agree with comments or statics released from non-commercial or official governmental websites instead. It is much suitable to write down in Ubuntu article if you still would like to appeal so. -- Green (talk) 06:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Who is this "we" you refer to? Otherwise you need to re-phrase what you have written here as it is not understandable. - Ahunt (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
If the reliable sources is truly a third-party source with no vested interest in the article's subject and has editorial oversight if a journalistic source, then it is suitable as a reliable sources, especially for the purpose of verifying relatively non-contentious information that is verified by these sources. If there is an issue with these sources that can be shown through the lens of WP:RS, then by all means that should be addressed. However, I looked through the sources and couldn't find anything problematic with them. - Aoidh (talk) 19:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Your source is only from comments by a commercial website. It it really reliable fact? Even though you insist Ubuntu is the most popular, we do NOT admit, because the article Linux_distribution says " There are no official figures on popularity, adoption, downloads or installed base of Linux distributions." Your are going to advertise Ubuntu here? It is OK to take a same measure to adopt as a fact from DestroWatch.com. which denies your fact at present. How do you respond the survey done by the DestroWatch so far? -- Green (talk) 06:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
You are again misquoting the caption. It actually says "Ubuntu, one of the most popular desktop Linux distributions" - which seems to be something we all agree on. - Ahunt (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I just quoted: "There are no official figures on popularity, adoption, downloads or installed base of Linux distributions." from Wikipedia in the main article Linux_distribution. - Green (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I already quoted two WP:RS that supported the original caption "Ubuntu, one of the most popular desktop Linux distributions". There are many dozens more refs that can easily found, so the original caption is well supported. - Ahunt (talk) 20:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
I wonder how they knew a fact that Ubuntu is one of most popular distributions. They examined their friends, don't they? it seems what they told were political comments, rather than scientific statistic. Did they examined all of free Linux users across the world? I did not submit any data to assist them. Green (talk) 07:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Fortunately due to our Wikipedia policy of WP:RS we don't have to address questions like that. - Ahunt (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Ahunt is correct, and if you have concerns that the sources are not independent sources I would advise taking those concerns to WP:RSN and explaining why other than questions. As a note though, in most situations, especially by default, you do submit what OS you're using to almost every website you visit, along with what browser, and all kinds of other information. - Aoidh (talk) 18:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
According to DistroWatch.com, rating in year 2019 by Linux distributions as follows: the first is MX Linux, the second is Manjaro, the third is Mint. Ubuntu came just only forth in row. Green (talk) 10:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Those are page hit rankings, which can be easily manipulated, because all those rankings mean is that the distro's page on DistroWatch has been accessed. Each time a computer or device sends a request to view that page, the counter goes up by one. This is literally the only things those statistics show. While it may be indicative of and suggest popularity, that's not what it shows. A few things, (1) you're still arguing against something that the article doesn't say, it does not say "Ubuntu is the most popular." (2) Why is DistroWatch a reliable source for you when the others aren't? (3) Assuming DistroWatch is the indicator of popularity you're saying it is, doesn't this do nothing short of verify the information in the article? If you look at those rankings by year, Ubuntu has consistently been in the top 5 since 2005, something no other distro has done, not even mainstays like Manjaro, Fedora, or Debian. - Aoidh (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
"With millions of users around the world, Ubuntu is the third most popular operating system in the world. This GNU / Linux distribution has already been the most popular in the world and has gained in recent years some (small) improvements." and another says: "Ubuntu is probably the most well-known Linux distribution." --These are only statements without definite facts. Data of DistroWatch is statistic rather than statements, which means statistic is generally more reliable than individual statements. That is why i refered to DistroWatch.
"By the way, have you noticed grammatical differences -- popular; more popular; most popular? There is no reliable statistic to support your opinion that Ubuntu is most popular. Ubuntu is not NO1, but I said it is a popular distro. It is a tricky usage to mention a word like "most" or "one of most". --Green (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not sure what exactly you're saying here or what you're proposing the article say. If you're insistent on using the DistroWatch data, it supports the content in the article. Full stop. I wouldn't rely on it but even your argument that it carries more weight than reliable sources only undermines what I think you're trying to say. On DistroWatch, Ubuntu is the only distro that has been in the top 5 every year for the last 15 years. The only one. By your own metric, this supports the content in the article that Ubuntu is one of the most popular distros. There is no issue with the word "most", per WP:IDIOM. What change are you suggesting, exactly, and with what sources are you suggesting support a change? - Aoidh (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I only presented another data by DistroWatch for your reference, but I am not proposing to adopt that data instead. The main article says "There are no official figures on popularity of Linux distributions". My comment totally follows it. You had better to care about a weasel word which is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific. Examples include the phrases "some people say", "most people think”. I doubt if you have read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch for a proper usage in Wikipedia. --Green (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it is time to wrap this up here, we are well into WP:DEADHORSE territory. - Ahunt (talk) 11:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
The fundamental problem here is that there in no reliable facts so far. Nevertheless a certain Wiki-writer strongly insisted Ubuntu is "one of the most" popular one. --Green (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
No, that is not correct. We have many WP:RS that support that caption an a consensus to retain it. Unless you have proof that all these reliable sources are wrong, then we are done here. - Ahunt (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Then, you must read closely the contents of this section says: Linux_distribution#Statistics. That section tell you "There are no official figures on popularity of Linux distributions", because it seems that you did not read it at all. --Green (talk) 00:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)